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Tham Zhiwa's avatar

Thank you two so much for this heartfelt convo. I've been thinking a lot lately about the Fisher King myth, which I conclude with in my most recent paper: "The symbolic significance of the Holy Grail in this story has to do with a sickness that is on the land. Camelot is an impoverished place, as captured eloquently in the “broken images” of T.S. Elliot’s “Wasteland” (where he poignantly poses the question: “That corpse you planted last year in your garden, / Has it begun to sprout?”). In his first visit to the palace, Perceval fails in his quest to obtain the grail. It is years before he gets a chance at redemption, and wiser this time he succeeds. The sickness is lifted from the land. How? Simply by asking the Fisher King the right question: 'What ails thee?'

In a very real sense, this question marks an evolutionary leap in human intelligence when the

word “trauma” ceases to refer solely to physical injury, as it originally meant in Greek, and

instead takes on a new dimension of psychological injury - the way we understand trauma today.

The King is unable to heal because the psychological wound that he carries, masked by the

physical wound, has yet to be acknowledged, let alone addressed. Once it is brought into the

light of awareness by Perceval, and perhaps for the first time acknowledged by the King himself,

healing becomes possible, and almost magically commences. The wasteland itself is regenerated

- thus recognizing the direct connection that exists between human trauma and environmental

injury." https://www.academia.edu/125461505/Gaia_Psychology_A_Positive_Psychology_Reset_for_an_Ecological_Future

Tracy Gawley's avatar

Thank you for this interview and exploration, Matthew. I feel touched and resonant with what you both shared. It occurred to me around your surprise visitor, that that experience might be feedback to your inquiry in that moment? Part of my dream practice is to begin looking at everyday life as if it were a dream and also as a feedback mechanism to intention or inquiry. So, if I had been inquiring around resistance that I felt to participating in a grief ritual (even though I am often around people grieving in my work and I am not a stranger to deep process work) and a young female child walked into the room/into the conversation, I might take that as feedback around , the young feminine might need to be brought back into the conversation because she needs something and it’s related to my ability to grieve. So, it might be about reclaiming the young feminine child within myself? Or maybe something about the young feminine within needing the attention of an attuned father within? (Which your young one received in that moment.) Then I begin to think collectively, and how that might be feedback as a collective about needing to restore relationship to the feminine and the relationship to feelings and emoting that comes with that. Also, maybe weaving in, what is the collective masculine relationship to the collective young feminine as it relates to relaxing into grief rituals and processes? The fact that the feminine was very young interests me? Maybe saying something about the innocence of a child needed to meet the grief? Or maybe that’s the age at which our inner feminine is arrested as a collective? Or maybe it might be speaking in a myriad of ways yet to be discovered the more we process what arises?

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