Thank you so m much for posting this. Resonated strongly with me living here in New Zealand where we live with the legacy of colonialism and trying to heal the trauma of the past and rebuild relationship with Maori (the indigenous people) and the land we appropriated.
May 16, 2023·edited May 18, 2023Liked by Matthew Green
Thank you Matthew and Lisa for this essential and deeply resonant conversation.
It was a gift to "listen in" and reflect on the high vibration of possibility this exploration offered. I found myself on the edge of my seat, longing to weave together threads I've been drawing through my own vocation and life and support this broader and collective exchange. Years ago when I was pulled down the path of ancestral healing within my own lines as they connected with slavery and enslavement (my outer-work in ethical supply chain working on issues and cases of modern day slavery in our current economic system is what actually guided me to this essential inner work in this regard) - and that journey into the ancestral dynamics of perpetrator and survivor opened so much to me in terms of the perpetrator and survivor trauma and resilience threads woven into the foundations of so many of our existing societal structures (many of which are in states of collapse now). It resonated deeply to hear of Lisa's work with healing perpetrator trauma, as this is the context and dynamic that I witness so often as the "shutting down" force that stops transformative evolution in our systems as well. Especially with regards to our ability to genuinely and authentically transition from an extractive, exploitative economic system and structure toward a truly regenerative and collaborative one. I am so curious about how the comprehensive resource model and Lisa's work might be able to stretch out into organization change and healing as well as personal healing...Anyway- thank you both, from my deepest heart, for your work, your insights, and your hearts and love for the world.
Greta, thank you for such a deep and insightful reflection, so much to explore here, and inspiring to hear you found such resonance. I would love to hear more about your work and experiences in the journey of ancestral healing, and how you see the perpetrator/survivor trauma showing up in society and systems. For sure I believe CRM could be used to help organisations to transform, as you suggest.
Matthew, I love these conversations, and cherish the spaces where they can be held! Because my work in the corporate space often is not "directly" addressing the trauma-elephant in the room, I find myself weaving my own awareness and practice of working with trauma into my approach in that work. I find it incredible how everything comes back to our capacity to nurture a felt sense of safety within the spaces we inhabit. Just as we must tend to the container and ensure the person feels safe enough to be vulnerable when we are working with personal trauma, I believe we have to take a similar approach to considering what it will take to create a sense of safety within an organization for the individuals within it to be able and willing to actually touch and feel the depth of trauma their work directly contributes to. And as Lisa acknowledges so beautifully throughout your conversation our capacity to create that safety directly correlates with the depth of our own inner/personal work in healing and engaging the trauma connected through our lives and ancestry. On the topic of the perpetrator/survivor dynamic...I've worked with executives of multi-billion dollar corporations as well as leaders of smaller-scale mission-driven companies and whenever we "look under the hood" of their companies and begin to consider the human and environmental impacts of the production of their products, we inevitably reveal the dark and murky shadow aspects of human nature. Over the years I've seen the patterns of response that relate with shame and guilt in a person that leads them to either disassociate and further disconnect, denying their responsibility, or to burn out and extract themselves entirely from the company, which essentially removes a "caring heart" that could have influenced change. So many of our social stories paint the "corporation" as the perpetrator, which is fair enough considering their role in the damage to Earth and all for profit; however, this projection de-humanizes the corporation, which is still run by humans, and therefore can never actually act in a non-human manner. I've only witnessed "corporations" genuinely adopt more ethical practices in a manner that is authentic when the humans within them are willing to be vulnerable and acknowledge they have incredibly complex challenges in their supply chains that they do not necessarily know how to resolve, but that they will transparently work to improve, and radically change the way they do business in a multi-dimensional way (VERY rarely have I seen this, but I have...so I do believe in our capacity to make the evolutionary leap that shouldn't be so evolutionary). I raised this topic with Thomas Hübl during a Mystic Cafe conversation some time ago...exploring how we can bring more warmth into the corporate board rooms that supports the melting of this seemingly glacial ice bergs of trauma that are threaded through the personal, ancestral and collective. This is what I would love to explore further, really with anyone who can relate, as now I cannot go into any corporate boardroom without reading and sensing all of the multi-layered trauma defenses that come up as we try to connect head and heart in an authentic way.
Hi Greta, Since CRM works through the fractals of reality in all contexts I'd love to brainstorm further about organization change or beneficial impact through the work. Its on my to do list to consider. If you have any ideas let me know!
Wonderful - thank you Lisa! I will reach out, this kind of topic feels like it needs a brain thunderstorm where head and heart can swirl and twirl! I've been working with this from a few different angles these last ten years (after nearly 20 years in the industry), and now am feeling more and more space within the corporate collective to begin to weave conversations that could guide us toward fertile soil for exploration and possibly (?!) even integration, but I definitely feel as though I'm still finding my way in the dark on some levels, given the multi-faceted dynamics at play. But I'd love to be in conversation and explore further with you. I also happen to be in Pennsylvania for the next six weeks while I travel for a bit away from my home in Patagonia- I wonder if we might even manage to meet in person. Either way, thanks for being open to connect.
Thank you for the comment PJ. If there is ever a desire or opportunity to bring this kind of healing to NZ on a larger scale, feel free to reach out. We are working to serve in that way.
Thank you so m much for posting this. Resonated strongly with me living here in New Zealand where we live with the legacy of colonialism and trying to heal the trauma of the past and rebuild relationship with Maori (the indigenous people) and the land we appropriated.
Thank you Matthew and Lisa for this essential and deeply resonant conversation.
It was a gift to "listen in" and reflect on the high vibration of possibility this exploration offered. I found myself on the edge of my seat, longing to weave together threads I've been drawing through my own vocation and life and support this broader and collective exchange. Years ago when I was pulled down the path of ancestral healing within my own lines as they connected with slavery and enslavement (my outer-work in ethical supply chain working on issues and cases of modern day slavery in our current economic system is what actually guided me to this essential inner work in this regard) - and that journey into the ancestral dynamics of perpetrator and survivor opened so much to me in terms of the perpetrator and survivor trauma and resilience threads woven into the foundations of so many of our existing societal structures (many of which are in states of collapse now). It resonated deeply to hear of Lisa's work with healing perpetrator trauma, as this is the context and dynamic that I witness so often as the "shutting down" force that stops transformative evolution in our systems as well. Especially with regards to our ability to genuinely and authentically transition from an extractive, exploitative economic system and structure toward a truly regenerative and collaborative one. I am so curious about how the comprehensive resource model and Lisa's work might be able to stretch out into organization change and healing as well as personal healing...Anyway- thank you both, from my deepest heart, for your work, your insights, and your hearts and love for the world.
Greta, thank you for such a deep and insightful reflection, so much to explore here, and inspiring to hear you found such resonance. I would love to hear more about your work and experiences in the journey of ancestral healing, and how you see the perpetrator/survivor trauma showing up in society and systems. For sure I believe CRM could be used to help organisations to transform, as you suggest.
Matthew, I love these conversations, and cherish the spaces where they can be held! Because my work in the corporate space often is not "directly" addressing the trauma-elephant in the room, I find myself weaving my own awareness and practice of working with trauma into my approach in that work. I find it incredible how everything comes back to our capacity to nurture a felt sense of safety within the spaces we inhabit. Just as we must tend to the container and ensure the person feels safe enough to be vulnerable when we are working with personal trauma, I believe we have to take a similar approach to considering what it will take to create a sense of safety within an organization for the individuals within it to be able and willing to actually touch and feel the depth of trauma their work directly contributes to. And as Lisa acknowledges so beautifully throughout your conversation our capacity to create that safety directly correlates with the depth of our own inner/personal work in healing and engaging the trauma connected through our lives and ancestry. On the topic of the perpetrator/survivor dynamic...I've worked with executives of multi-billion dollar corporations as well as leaders of smaller-scale mission-driven companies and whenever we "look under the hood" of their companies and begin to consider the human and environmental impacts of the production of their products, we inevitably reveal the dark and murky shadow aspects of human nature. Over the years I've seen the patterns of response that relate with shame and guilt in a person that leads them to either disassociate and further disconnect, denying their responsibility, or to burn out and extract themselves entirely from the company, which essentially removes a "caring heart" that could have influenced change. So many of our social stories paint the "corporation" as the perpetrator, which is fair enough considering their role in the damage to Earth and all for profit; however, this projection de-humanizes the corporation, which is still run by humans, and therefore can never actually act in a non-human manner. I've only witnessed "corporations" genuinely adopt more ethical practices in a manner that is authentic when the humans within them are willing to be vulnerable and acknowledge they have incredibly complex challenges in their supply chains that they do not necessarily know how to resolve, but that they will transparently work to improve, and radically change the way they do business in a multi-dimensional way (VERY rarely have I seen this, but I have...so I do believe in our capacity to make the evolutionary leap that shouldn't be so evolutionary). I raised this topic with Thomas Hübl during a Mystic Cafe conversation some time ago...exploring how we can bring more warmth into the corporate board rooms that supports the melting of this seemingly glacial ice bergs of trauma that are threaded through the personal, ancestral and collective. This is what I would love to explore further, really with anyone who can relate, as now I cannot go into any corporate boardroom without reading and sensing all of the multi-layered trauma defenses that come up as we try to connect head and heart in an authentic way.
Hi Greta, Since CRM works through the fractals of reality in all contexts I'd love to brainstorm further about organization change or beneficial impact through the work. Its on my to do list to consider. If you have any ideas let me know!
Lisa@comprehensiveresourcemodel.com
Wonderful - thank you Lisa! I will reach out, this kind of topic feels like it needs a brain thunderstorm where head and heart can swirl and twirl! I've been working with this from a few different angles these last ten years (after nearly 20 years in the industry), and now am feeling more and more space within the corporate collective to begin to weave conversations that could guide us toward fertile soil for exploration and possibly (?!) even integration, but I definitely feel as though I'm still finding my way in the dark on some levels, given the multi-faceted dynamics at play. But I'd love to be in conversation and explore further with you. I also happen to be in Pennsylvania for the next six weeks while I travel for a bit away from my home in Patagonia- I wonder if we might even manage to meet in person. Either way, thanks for being open to connect.
Matthew, it is great that you write about Lisa's innovative generational work! A great way to spread the healing news to the world! Thank you both!
Domna, so nice to reconnect! Thank you for following Resonant World, and look forward to further exchanges!
Thank you for the comment PJ. If there is ever a desire or opportunity to bring this kind of healing to NZ on a larger scale, feel free to reach out. We are working to serve in that way.